On Oct 6, 2022, at 5:21 AM, Leo <leo.r@...> wrote:

Is it just me - or Xcode 14 is simply unusable at this point? Because new IBOutlet properties are not recognized in Interface Builder.

(Outlets created in pre-14 Xcode versions do appear in Xcode 14 but with a warning sign  with a tooltip claiming that outlet doesn't exist).

To reproduce, create a new outlet in the header file of the app delegate class (or any other class instantiated in Interface Builder):

@property (nonatomic, retain) IBOutlet NSButton *testButton;

then select this class in Interface Builder and open the Connections Inspector.

The testButton outlet will NOT appear in the list of outlets.

This naturally makes Xcode 14 totally useless at this point.

Bug is submitted to Apple.

I wonder if there are users who do not experience this behavior?

Thanks,
Leo

On Oct 7, 2022, at 12:34 AM, Leo <leo.r@...> wrote:

On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 08:01 AM, Andy Lee wrote:

I noticed that too, and assumed *I* was doing something wrong or was not up to date on how IB works.

 

I was able to make the connection in the opposite direction, by right-clicking the target and using the little circle.  I have never liked that way of doing it but it worked.

As you probably saw in my follow-up post today, the problem actually only happens for me on Ventura. No issues on macOS 12.6.

I wonder if you do have the issue on a non-Ventura system?

Leo

On Oct 10, 2022, at 12:50 PM, Andy Lee via groups.io <aglee@...> wrote:

I saw it on Ventura too.  I'm on the road and don't have a non-Ventura machine handy to confirm, but it sounds like a Ventura thing.  It wouldn't be the first oddly-specific bug I've seen on Ventura.

--Andy

On Oct 7, 2022, at 12:34 AM, Leo <leo.r@...> wrote:

On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 08:01 AM, Andy Lee wrote:

I noticed that too, and assumed *I* was doing something wrong or was not up to date on how IB works.

 

I was able to make the connection in the opposite direction, by right-clicking the target and using the little circle.  I have never liked that way of doing it but it worked.

As you probably saw in my follow-up post today, the problem actually only happens for me on Ventura. No issues on macOS 12.6.

I wonder if you do have the issue on a non-Ventura system?

Leo

Bug is submitted to Apple.

On Oct 27, 2022, at 10:40 PM, Leo <leo.r@...> wrote:

The problem is NOT yet fixed in Xcode 14.1 RC2 on macOS 13.0.

I'm also downloading macOS 13.1 beta - will see if it makes any difference.

I wonder how Apple managed to screw this one up. It's not some kind of a minor obscure bug that's easy to miss. It's one of the main functions - and this bug totally breaks any development in Xcode on Ventura. (Well at least in Objective-C - I don't know if it affects Swift).

On Oct 28, 2022, at 4:23 PM, Leo <leo.r@...> wrote:

On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 01:50 PM, Jack Brindle wrote:

1) Right-click (or option-click) on the file’s owner object in the left Interface Builder pane, select the outlet and drag to the object you wish to connect.

2) Select file’s owner object in the left pane, then select the outlet in IB’s Connection inspector and drag to the object you wish to connect.

Well, you can't use any of these methods as well as any other methods.

The bug is that Interface Builder does not recognize any outlets at all. Outlets DO NOT APPEAR in Interface Builder at all - so there's nothing to connect.

And if you attempt to Ctrl-drag from the outlet entry in the code directly onto an object in IB (open in a split editor), IB doesn't let you connect the outlet to any object.

So the bug is that OUTLETS ARE DEAD, there's simply no way to use them on Ventura no matter what method you use.

I'm curious if your experience on Ventura is different?


Thanks,
Leo

On 29 Oct 2022, at 12:25 am, Jack Brindle via groups.io <jackbrindle@...> wrote:

Quite a bit different. IBOutlets are working just fine for me, and they show up as expected in Interface Builder. The _only_ thing not working is attempting to connect _from_ the object element _to_ the owning object. As I explained, going there other way works just fine.

This has been true with all of the Xcode 14.1 betas & ICs in both Monterey and Ventura, including the current 13.1 beta.

I also make extensive use of KVO from IB to object properties, which also works just fine.

I would ask, what is different with your setup?

Jack

On Oct 28, 2022, at 4:23 PM, Leo <leo.r@...> wrote:

On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 01:50 PM, Jack Brindle wrote:

1) Right-click (or option-click) on the file’s owner object in the left Interface Builder pane, select the outlet and drag to the object you wish to connect.

2) Select file’s owner object in the left pane, then select the outlet in IB’s Connection inspector and drag to the object you wish to connect.

Well, you can't use any of these methods as well as any other methods.

The bug is that Interface Builder does not recognize any outlets at all. Outlets DO NOT APPEAR in Interface Builder at all - so there's nothing to connect.

And if you attempt to Ctrl-drag from the outlet entry in the code directly onto an object in IB (open in a split editor), IB doesn't let you connect the outlet to any object.

So the bug is that OUTLETS ARE DEAD, there's simply no way to use them on Ventura no matter what method you use.

I'm curious if your experience on Ventura is different?


Thanks,
Leo

On Nov 1, 2022, at 4:54 PM, Leo <leo.r@...> wrote:



Ha. I installed Ventura on a different partition of the same MacBook Pro - and outlets work in Xcode 14 there with no issues.

It means to me that the bug is somewhere they’re hiding, waiting for the right conditions to happen. But, hopefully, it must be extremely rare.