Time zone crap.


Alex Zavatone
 

I’m in the deepest darkest jungles of ferocious downtown Africa at the moment (yeah, science) and if I‘m not smoking crack again, all of my business meetings are jacked up by an hour because something in the NSLocale or time zone management is off by an hour, but apparently all over Namibia and parts of South Africa.

This appears off on my Mac and on 1/2 of my iOS devices.

If I set my Mac to set date and time automatically, it sets the date and time to 1 hour earlier than it is. Now, Apple sets it to 3:14PM when it’s really 4:14 PM.

I have to set the time manually because of this, but this throws off all of my appointments when I accept them through Apple Mail. It’s been off like this since Doha and still is off all over Namibia and South Africa.

The odd thing is that my iPad also has this problem, but none of my iPhones (one with a US SIM card and one with a local Namibian SIM card) have this problem. If I share the Internet connection from the iPhones, the Mac’s time is still incorrect when selecting the time zone automatically.

I don’t even have any idea how to go about debugging this. Any ideas?


In the mean time…
Have a Welwitschia or 6 on me.
https://i.imgur.com/CGvK2Qe.jpg

Mah puppy.
https://i.imgur.com/WnCJnWk.jpg

One of the important women in my life.
https://i.imgur.com/5pE5CNa.png

Another one (or two).
https://i.imgur.com/nfwnKhM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uij4N52.jpg

Cursed rush hour traffic.
https://imgur.com/2978A9n

Being a vegetarian who has delicious animals concentrate the veggies for me.
https://i.imgur.com/jnAivdM.jpg

THANK YOU.


Alexander von Below
 

This sounds like something for Radar. So far, travelling the well-known world (the oddest being the canary islands), I have had any issues with that.

I have been tracking the back-and-forth of the DPRK timezone, but never travelled there or accepted meetings :p

All the best to your meetings!

Alex

Am 24.07.2018 um 16:20 schrieb Alex Zavatone via Groups.Io <zav=mac.com@groups.io>:

I’m in the deepest darkest jungles of ferocious downtown Africa at the moment (yeah, science) and if I‘m not smoking crack again, all of my business meetings are jacked up by an hour because something in the NSLocale or time zone management is off by an hour, but apparently all over Namibia and parts of South Africa.

This appears off on my Mac and on 1/2 of my iOS devices.

If I set my Mac to set date and time automatically, it sets the date and time to 1 hour earlier than it is. Now, Apple sets it to 3:14PM when it’s really 4:14 PM.

I have to set the time manually because of this, but this throws off all of my appointments when I accept them through Apple Mail. It’s been off like this since Doha and still is off all over Namibia and South Africa.

The odd thing is that my iPad also has this problem, but none of my iPhones (one with a US SIM card and one with a local Namibian SIM card) have this problem. If I share the Internet connection from the iPhones, the Mac’s time is still incorrect when selecting the time zone automatically.

I don’t even have any idea how to go about debugging this. Any ideas?


In the mean time…
Have a Welwitschia or 6 on me.
https://i.imgur.com/CGvK2Qe.jpg

Mah puppy.
https://i.imgur.com/WnCJnWk.jpg

One of the important women in my life.
https://i.imgur.com/5pE5CNa.png

Another one (or two).
https://i.imgur.com/nfwnKhM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uij4N52.jpg

Cursed rush hour traffic.
https://imgur.com/2978A9n

Being a vegetarian who has delicious animals concentrate the veggies for me.
https://i.imgur.com/jnAivdM.jpg

THANK YOU.






Keary Suska
 

AFAIK cell phones can determine time accurately via the cell transmission, so they are always accurate. Macs, and iOS devices without cell chips, on the other hand, don’t have that benefit nor a GPS chip as far as the Mac goes, so they can only infer location via your IP address, and that can be fairly sketchy in some locales. You may be able to verify this by putting your IP in ARIN and seeing what locale shows up, and see if it is a different time zone. In any case, I am inclined to think this is less an API issue as a limitation with the OS.

Keary Suska
Esoteritech, Inc.
"Demystifying technology for your home or business"

On Jul 24, 2018, at 8:20 AM, Alex Zavatone via Groups.Io <zav=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:

I’m in the deepest darkest jungles of ferocious downtown Africa at the moment (yeah, science) and if I‘m not smoking crack again, all of my business meetings are jacked up by an hour because something in the NSLocale or time zone management is off by an hour, but apparently all over Namibia and parts of South Africa.

This appears off on my Mac and on 1/2 of my iOS devices.

If I set my Mac to set date and time automatically, it sets the date and time to 1 hour earlier than it is. Now, Apple sets it to 3:14PM when it’s really 4:14 PM.

I have to set the time manually because of this, but this throws off all of my appointments when I accept them through Apple Mail. It’s been off like this since Doha and still is off all over Namibia and South Africa.

The odd thing is that my iPad also has this problem, but none of my iPhones (one with a US SIM card and one with a local Namibian SIM card) have this problem. If I share the Internet connection from the iPhones, the Mac’s time is still incorrect when selecting the time zone automatically.

I don’t even have any idea how to go about debugging this. Any ideas?


In the mean time…
Have a Welwitschia or 6 on me.
https://i.imgur.com/CGvK2Qe.jpg

Mah puppy.
https://i.imgur.com/WnCJnWk.jpg

One of the important women in my life.
https://i.imgur.com/5pE5CNa.png

Another one (or two).
https://i.imgur.com/nfwnKhM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uij4N52.jpg

Cursed rush hour traffic.
https://imgur.com/2978A9n

Being a vegetarian who has delicious animals concentrate the veggies for me.
https://i.imgur.com/jnAivdM.jpg

THANK YOU.






B T Small
 

Hi Alex,

Sorry to hear of your problem. I’m in Johannesburg, I’ve included my setting below which may help.
Note that I set the region to Apple Europe and the system detects Johannesburg (if it selects Pretoria that’s fine too).

Can’t comment on the vagaries of mail, but I’ve not had a problem to date.

Ps Down here we tend to refer to “jungles” as “the Bush”

Regards

Brian Small






On Tue24 Jul 18, at 16:20, Alex Zavatone via Groups.Io <zav@...> wrote:

I’m in the deepest darkest jungles of ferocious downtown Africa at the moment (yeah, science) and if I‘m not smoking crack again, all of my business meetings are jacked up by an hour because something in the NSLocale or time zone management is off by an hour, but apparently all over Namibia and parts of South Africa.

This appears off on my Mac and on 1/2 of my iOS devices.

If I set my Mac to set date and time automatically, it sets the date and time to 1 hour earlier than it is.  Now, Apple sets it to 3:14PM when it’s really 4:14 PM.

I have to set the time manually because of this, but this throws off all of my appointments when I accept them through Apple Mail.  It’s been off like this since Doha and still is off all over Namibia and South Africa.

The odd thing is that my iPad also has this problem, but none of my iPhones (one with a US SIM card and one with a local Namibian SIM card) have this problem.  If I share the Internet connection from the iPhones, the Mac’s time is still incorrect when selecting the time zone automatically.

I don’t even have any idea how to go about debugging this.  Any ideas?


In the mean time…
Have a Welwitschia or 6 on me.
https://i.imgur.com/CGvK2Qe.jpg

Mah puppy.
https://i.imgur.com/WnCJnWk.jpg

One of the important women in my life.
https://i.imgur.com/5pE5CNa.png

Another one (or two).
https://i.imgur.com/nfwnKhM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uij4N52.jpg

Cursed rush hour traffic.
https://imgur.com/2978A9n

Being a vegetarian who has delicious animals concentrate the veggies for me.
https://i.imgur.com/jnAivdM.jpg

THANK YOU.








Giacomo Tufano
 

It seems that Namibia recently changed the timezone permanently (cfr. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4074837/time-zone-and-dst-changes-in-windows-for-northern-cyprus-sudan-and-ton , sorry for the microsoft link 🙂).
I’m unsure what the timezone support on previous macOS version is, but on 10.13.6 is correctly at GMT+2 (as it seems it should do). May be you’re on a previous OS version (or not the latest patch level for the version you have) on Mac and iPad?

HTH,
gt

Il giorno 24 lug 2018, alle ore 16:20, Alex Zavatone via Groups.Io <zav@...> ha scritto:

I’m in the deepest darkest jungles of ferocious downtown Africa at the moment (yeah, science) and if I‘m not smoking crack again, all of my business meetings are jacked up by an hour because something in the NSLocale or time zone management is off by an hour, but apparently all over Namibia and parts of South Africa.

This appears off on my Mac and on 1/2 of my iOS devices.

If I set my Mac to set date and time automatically, it sets the date and time to 1 hour earlier than it is.  Now, Apple sets it to 3:14PM when it’s really 4:14 PM.

I have to set the time manually because of this, but this throws off all of my appointments when I accept them through Apple Mail.  It’s been off like this since Doha and still is off all over Namibia and South Africa.

The odd thing is that my iPad also has this problem, but none of my iPhones (one with a US SIM card and one with a local Namibian SIM card) have this problem.  If I share the Internet connection from the iPhones, the Mac’s time is still incorrect when selecting the time zone automatically.

I don’t even have any idea how to go about debugging this.  Any ideas?


In the mean time…
Have a Welwitschia or 6 on me.
https://i.imgur.com/CGvK2Qe.jpg

Mah puppy.
https://i.imgur.com/WnCJnWk.jpg

One of the important women in my life.
https://i.imgur.com/5pE5CNa.png

Another one (or two).
https://i.imgur.com/nfwnKhM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uij4N52.jpg

Cursed rush hour traffic.
https://imgur.com/2978A9n

Being a vegetarian who has delicious animals concentrate the veggies for me.
https://i.imgur.com/jnAivdM.jpg

THANK YOU.








Giacomo Tufano
 

You can try

zdump -v /usr/share/zoneinfo.default/Africa/Windhoek

To understand what your system thinks is the timezone in Windhoek, on my system the latest lines are:

/usr/share/zoneinfo.default/Africa/Windhoek  Sat Apr  1 23:59:59 2017 UTC = Sun Apr  2 01:59:59 2017 WAST isdst=1
/usr/share/zoneinfo.default/Africa/Windhoek  Sun Apr  2 00:00:00 2017 UTC = Sun Apr  2 01:00:00 2017 WAT isdst=0
/usr/share/zoneinfo.default/Africa/Windhoek  Sun Sep  3 00:59:59 2017 UTC = Sun Sep  3 01:59:59 2017 WAT isdst=0
/usr/share/zoneinfo.default/Africa/Windhoek  Sun Sep  3 01:00:00 2017 UTC = Sun Sep  3 03:00:00 2017 CAT isdst=0
/usr/share/zoneinfo.default/Africa/Windhoek  Mon Jan 18 03:14:07 2038 UTC = Mon Jan 18 05:14:07 2038 CAT isdst=0
/usr/share/zoneinfo.default/Africa/Windhoek  Tue Jan 19 03:14:07 2038 UTC = Tue Jan 19 05:14:07 2038 CAT isdst=0

Showing the permanent change...

Il giorno 24 lug 2018, alle ore 16:45, Giacomo Tufano <gt@...> ha scritto:

It seems that Namibia recently changed the timezone permanently (cfr. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4074837/time-zone-and-dst-changes-in-windows-for-northern-cyprus-sudan-and-ton , sorry for the microsoft link 🙂).
I’m unsure what the timezone support on previous macOS version is, but on 10.13.6 is correctly at GMT+2 (as it seems it should do). May be you’re on a previous OS version (or not the latest patch level for the version you have) on Mac and iPad?

HTH,
gt

Il giorno 24 lug 2018, alle ore 16:20, Alex Zavatone via Groups.Io <zav@...> ha scritto:

I’m in the deepest darkest jungles of ferocious downtown Africa at the moment (yeah, science) and if I‘m not smoking crack again, all of my business meetings are jacked up by an hour because something in the NSLocale or time zone management is off by an hour, but apparently all over Namibia and parts of South Africa.

This appears off on my Mac and on 1/2 of my iOS devices.

If I set my Mac to set date and time automatically, it sets the date and time to 1 hour earlier than it is.  Now, Apple sets it to 3:14PM when it’s really 4:14 PM.

I have to set the time manually because of this, but this throws off all of my appointments when I accept them through Apple Mail.  It’s been off like this since Doha and still is off all over Namibia and South Africa.

The odd thing is that my iPad also has this problem, but none of my iPhones (one with a US SIM card and one with a local Namibian SIM card) have this problem.  If I share the Internet connection from the iPhones, the Mac’s time is still incorrect when selecting the time zone automatically.

I don’t even have any idea how to go about debugging this.  Any ideas?


In the mean time…
Have a Welwitschia or 6 on me.
https://i.imgur.com/CGvK2Qe.jpg

Mah puppy.
https://i.imgur.com/WnCJnWk.jpg

One of the important women in my life.
https://i.imgur.com/5pE5CNa.png

Another one (or two).
https://i.imgur.com/nfwnKhM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uij4N52.jpg

Cursed rush hour traffic.
https://imgur.com/2978A9n

Being a vegetarian who has delicious animals concentrate the veggies for me.
https://i.imgur.com/jnAivdM.jpg

THANK YOU.









Alex Zavatone
 

In a capital and it was jacked in Doha and Windhoek.

Good data though.

On 24 Jul 2018, at 4:49 PM, Keary Suska <cocoa-dev@esoteritech.com> wrote:

AFAIK cell phones can determine time accurately via the cell transmission, so they are always accurate. Macs, and iOS devices without cell chips, on the other hand, don’t have that benefit nor a GPS chip as far as the Mac goes, so they can only infer location via your IP address, and that can be fairly sketchy in some locales. You may be able to verify this by putting your IP in ARIN and seeing what locale shows up, and see if it is a different time zone. In any case, I am inclined to think this is less an API issue as a limitation with the OS.

Keary Suska
Esoteritech, Inc.
"Demystifying technology for your home or business"

On Jul 24, 2018, at 8:20 AM, Alex Zavatone via Groups.Io <zav=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:

I’m in the deepest darkest jungles of ferocious downtown Africa at the moment (yeah, science) and if I‘m not smoking crack again, all of my business meetings are jacked up by an hour because something in the NSLocale or time zone management is off by an hour, but apparently all over Namibia and parts of South Africa.

This appears off on my Mac and on 1/2 of my iOS devices.

If I set my Mac to set date and time automatically, it sets the date and time to 1 hour earlier than it is. Now, Apple sets it to 3:14PM when it’s really 4:14 PM.

I have to set the time manually because of this, but this throws off all of my appointments when I accept them through Apple Mail. It’s been off like this since Doha and still is off all over Namibia and South Africa.

The odd thing is that my iPad also has this problem, but none of my iPhones (one with a US SIM card and one with a local Namibian SIM card) have this problem. If I share the Internet connection from the iPhones, the Mac’s time is still incorrect when selecting the time zone automatically.

I don’t even have any idea how to go about debugging this. Any ideas?


In the mean time…
Have a Welwitschia or 6 on me.
https://i.imgur.com/CGvK2Qe.jpg

Mah puppy.
https://i.imgur.com/WnCJnWk.jpg

One of the important women in my life.
https://i.imgur.com/5pE5CNa.png

Another one (or two).
https://i.imgur.com/nfwnKhM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uij4N52.jpg

Cursed rush hour traffic.
https://imgur.com/2978A9n

Being a vegetarian who has delicious animals concentrate the veggies for me.
https://i.imgur.com/jnAivdM.jpg

THANK YOU.








Alex Zavatone
 

AHA!

I tried them all.  

Fun times!

It is called the veld, is it not?  Must I send you a photo from the Cape Town Fish Market which sadly is in Windhoek.

Biltong saves lives


On 24 Jul 2018, at 4:43 PM, B T Small via Groups.Io <b.small@...> wrote:

Hi Alex,

Sorry to hear of your problem. I’m in Johannesburg, I’ve included my setting below which may help.
Note that I set the region to Apple Europe and the system detects Johannesburg (if it selects Pretoria that’s fine too).

Can’t comment on the vagaries of mail, but I’ve not had a problem to date.

Ps Down here we tend to refer to “jungles” as “the Bush”

Regards

Brian Small




<PastedGraphic-1.png>

On Tue24 Jul 18, at 16:20, Alex Zavatone via Groups.Io <zav@...> wrote:

I’m in the deepest darkest jungles of ferocious downtown Africa at the moment (yeah, science) and if I‘m not smoking crack again, all of my business meetings are jacked up by an hour because something in the NSLocale or time zone management is off by an hour, but apparently all over Namibia and parts of South Africa.

This appears off on my Mac and on 1/2 of my iOS devices.

If I set my Mac to set date and time automatically, it sets the date and time to 1 hour earlier than it is.  Now, Apple sets it to 3:14PM when it’s really 4:14 PM.

I have to set the time manually because of this, but this throws off all of my appointments when I accept them through Apple Mail.  It’s been off like this since Doha and still is off all over Namibia and South Africa.

The odd thing is that my iPad also has this problem, but none of my iPhones (one with a US SIM card and one with a local Namibian SIM card) have this problem.  If I share the Internet connection from the iPhones, the Mac’s time is still incorrect when selecting the time zone automatically.

I don’t even have any idea how to go about debugging this.  Any ideas?


In the mean time…
Have a Welwitschia or 6 on me.
https://i.imgur.com/CGvK2Qe.jpg

Mah puppy.
https://i.imgur.com/WnCJnWk.jpg

One of the important women in my life.
https://i.imgur.com/5pE5CNa.png

Another one (or two).
https://i.imgur.com/nfwnKhM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uij4N52.jpg

Cursed rush hour traffic.
https://imgur.com/2978A9n

Being a vegetarian who has delicious animals concentrate the veggies for me.
https://i.imgur.com/jnAivdM.jpg

THANK YOU.








Alex Zavatone
 

Guys, you are epic beyond all expectation.

You do realize that this fucks security transactions for a large part of GMT + 1, right?

Like major fucks, right?

And through your help now we know..

There are several stupid important institutions that will be notified tomorrow.

Muchos nachos.  

Alex Zavatone


On 24 Jul 2018, at 4:45 PM, Giacomo Tufano <gt@...> wrote:

It seems that Namibia recently changed the timezone permanently (cfr. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4074837/time-zone-and-dst-changes-in-windows-for-northern-cyprus-sudan-and-ton , sorry for the microsoft link 🙂).
I’m unsure what the timezone support on previous macOS version is, but on 10.13.6 is correctly at GMT+2 (as it seems it should do). May be you’re on a previous OS version (or not the latest patch level for the version you have) on Mac and iPad?

HTH,
gt

Il giorno 24 lug 2018, alle ore 16:20, Alex Zavatone via Groups.Io <zav@...> ha scritto:

I’m in the deepest darkest jungles of ferocious downtown Africa at the moment (yeah, science) and if I‘m not smoking crack again, all of my business meetings are jacked up by an hour because something in the NSLocale or time zone management is off by an hour, but apparently all over Namibia and parts of South Africa.

This appears off on my Mac and on 1/2 of my iOS devices.

If I set my Mac to set date and time automatically, it sets the date and time to 1 hour earlier than it is.  Now, Apple sets it to 3:14PM when it’s really 4:14 PM.

I have to set the time manually because of this, but this throws off all of my appointments when I accept them through Apple Mail.  It’s been off like this since Doha and still is off all over Namibia and South Africa.

The odd thing is that my iPad also has this problem, but none of my iPhones (one with a US SIM card and one with a local Namibian SIM card) have this problem.  If I share the Internet connection from the iPhones, the Mac’s time is still incorrect when selecting the time zone automatically.

I don’t even have any idea how to go about debugging this.  Any ideas?


In the mean time…
Have a Welwitschia or 6 on me.
https://i.imgur.com/CGvK2Qe.jpg

Mah puppy.
https://i.imgur.com/WnCJnWk.jpg

One of the important women in my life.
https://i.imgur.com/5pE5CNa.png

Another one (or two).
https://i.imgur.com/nfwnKhM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uij4N52.jpg

Cursed rush hour traffic.
https://imgur.com/2978A9n

Being a vegetarian who has delicious animals concentrate the veggies for me.
https://i.imgur.com/jnAivdM.jpg

THANK YOU.








B T Small
 

Slightly off topic, but...
Veld or veldt(both Afrikaans and pronounced as “felt") refers to open, uncultivated  grassland in southern Africa. “Bush" generally refers to thick vegetation consisting of small / medium shrubs and trees where animals tend to seek refuge.

On Tue24 Jul 18, at 21:34, Alex Zavatone via Groups.Io <zav@...> wrote:

AHA!

I tried them all.  

Fun times!

It is called the veld, is it not?  Must I send you a photo from the Cape Town Fish Market which sadly is in Windhoek.

Biltong saves lives


On 24 Jul 2018, at 4:43 PM, B T Small via Groups.Io <b.small@...> wrote:

Hi Alex,

Sorry to hear of your problem. I’m in Johannesburg, I’ve included my setting below which may help.
Note that I set the region to Apple Europe and the system detects Johannesburg (if it selects Pretoria that’s fine too).

Can’t comment on the vagaries of mail, but I’ve not had a problem to date.

Ps Down here we tend to refer to “jungles” as “the Bush”

Regards

Brian Small




<PastedGraphic-1.png>

On Tue24 Jul 18, at 16:20, Alex Zavatone via Groups.Io <zav@...> wrote:

I’m in the deepest darkest jungles of ferocious downtown Africa at the moment (yeah, science) and if I‘m not smoking crack again, all of my business meetings are jacked up by an hour because something in the NSLocale or time zone management is off by an hour, but apparently all over Namibia and parts of South Africa.

This appears off on my Mac and on 1/2 of my iOS devices.

If I set my Mac to set date and time automatically, it sets the date and time to 1 hour earlier than it is.  Now, Apple sets it to 3:14PM when it’s really 4:14 PM.

I have to set the time manually because of this, but this throws off all of my appointments when I accept them through Apple Mail.  It’s been off like this since Doha and still is off all over Namibia and South Africa.

The odd thing is that my iPad also has this problem, but none of my iPhones (one with a US SIM card and one with a local Namibian SIM card) have this problem.  If I share the Internet connection from the iPhones, the Mac’s time is still incorrect when selecting the time zone automatically.

I don’t even have any idea how to go about debugging this.  Any ideas?


In the mean time…
Have a Welwitschia or 6 on me.
https://i.imgur.com/CGvK2Qe.jpg

Mah puppy.
https://i.imgur.com/WnCJnWk.jpg

One of the important women in my life.
https://i.imgur.com/5pE5CNa.png

Another one (or two).
https://i.imgur.com/nfwnKhM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uij4N52.jpg

Cursed rush hour traffic.
https://imgur.com/2978A9n

Being a vegetarian who has delicious animals concentrate the veggies for me.
https://i.imgur.com/jnAivdM.jpg

THANK YOU.