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Re: Groups.io Raising Prices?

JMichaelTX
 

Does anyone know the straight scoop on Groups.io raising prices?

Hey Chris, not sure what you mean by "the straight scoop" since you seem to have the prices, but here is the post by the Groups.io site owner: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/79024735

In the beginning I was very excited by both the AppleScript and JXA sub-groups, but have long since lost interest, since there is very little participation. I also don't really like the groups.io posting syntax.

I was going to move a group I manage here, but we can't afford their new pricing scheme.

If it were me I'd setup a Discourse.org site with an inexpensive host like bluehost.com.

Good luck.
Re: Groups.io Raising Prices?

David M
 

I was going to move a group I manage here, but we can't afford their new pricing scheme.
If you read the message, this does not start till 21 January. Move it now!

I have to wonder what this means for <http://Groups.io>Groups.io's future as well...
It means it will be operating on a good financial basis which bodes well for the future.

And the proper place to ask this question is groups.io managers forum, not here.
Re: Groups.io Raising Prices?

Jean-Christophe Helary <jean.christophe.helary@...>
 

Wow. I guess they're planning on making money on Yahoo's demise...

Sharks.

JC

On Dec 21, 2020, at 23:56, Christopher Stone <listmeister@thestoneforge.com> wrote:

Hey Folks,

Does anyone know the straight scoop on Groups.io raising prices?


For groups upgraded after Monday, January 18th, 2021 at 9am Pacific Time, the pricing plans will be based on the number of members in the group. The base costs of the different existing plans are not changing. The change is that above a certain number of members, the per member pricing kicks in. Here is the run down:


Free
Up to 100 members
1GB storage
Single mailing list only



Premium
Starting at $20/month or $220/year
Up to 400 members, then $0.05/member/month or $0.55/member/year for each member above that
30GB storage
Subgroups
Collaboration Suite
Donations
Direct Add



I was going to move a group I manage here, but we can't afford their new pricing scheme.

I have to wonder what this means for Groups.io's future as well...

--
Best Regards,
Chris

--
Jean-Christophe Helary @brandelune
http://mac4translators.blogspot.com
Groups.io Raising Prices?

Christopher Stone
 

Hey Folks,

Does anyone know the straight scoop on Groups.io raising prices?


For groups upgraded after Monday, January 18th, 2021 at 9am Pacific Time, the pricing plans will be based on the number of members in the group. The base costs of the different existing plans are not changing. The change is that above a certain number of members, the per member pricing kicks in. Here is the run down:


Free
Up to 100 members
1GB storage
Single mailing list only



Premium

Starting at $20/month or $220/year
Up to 400 members, then $0.05/member/month or $0.55/member/year for each member above that
30GB storage
Subgroups
Collaboration Suite
Donations
Direct Add



I was going to move a group I manage here, but we can't afford their new pricing scheme.

I have to wonder what this means for Groups.io's future as well...

--
Best Regards,
Chris
Re: Is Apple ML down now?

Christopher Stone
 

On 12/04/2020, at 05:44, Takaaki Naganoya <maro_ml@...> wrote:
Apple Mailing Lists seem down.

Hey Takaaki,

I haven't been able to post for 2-3 days now, so I fired off a missive to Chris Nebel a couple of hours ago.

Hopefully I'll hear back before long.

--
Best Regards,
Chris
Is Apple ML down now?

Takaaki Naganoya
 

Apple Mailing Lists seem down.

How about it?

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Takaaki Naganoya
maro@piyocast.com
http://piyocast.com/as/
Re: Applescript in Mac OS 11?

Bill Cheeseman
 

My expectation, based on nothing more than AppleScript's long history, is that existing support for AppleScript will not go away. The issue right now is that Apple has not implemented it in its Catalyst apps, although they could if they chose to. They do have lots of time before Big Sur is released.

Bill Cheeseman

On Jun 25, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Jon Gotow <gotow@stclairsoft.com> wrote:

That's definitely helpful from a user's perspective, but as a developer I use AppleScript within my apps to integrate them with other applications.

Losing AppleScript will result in my applications becoming "dumber". Default Folder X will no longer be able to magically integrate with ForkLift, Path Finder, or even the Finder if those apps stop supporting AppleScript. App Tamer won't be able to tell whether it should slow down Music or Spotify in the background because it won't be able to tell whether they're currently streaming music.

Yes, I can work with other developers to get special URL handlers or IPC hooks to coordinate with their app, but it's nothing like having a system-supported method of talking to applications and getting insight into their state.

- Jon


On Jun 25, 2020, at 3:16 AM, Bill Cheeseman <wjcheeseman@comcast.net> wrote:

I have started updating UI Browser as a universal app for Big Sur. It strikes me as more likely that Apple will make its new apps comply with accessibility, so it will remain possible to script them with GUI Scripting even if they no longer have an AppleScript dictionary.
Re: Applescript in Mac OS 11?

Jon Gotow
 

That's definitely helpful from a user's perspective, but as a developer I use AppleScript within my apps to integrate them with other applications.

Losing AppleScript will result in my applications becoming "dumber". Default Folder X will no longer be able to magically integrate with ForkLift, Path Finder, or even the Finder if those apps stop supporting AppleScript. App Tamer won't be able to tell whether it should slow down Music or Spotify in the background because it won't be able to tell whether they're currently streaming music.

Yes, I can work with other developers to get special URL handlers or IPC hooks to coordinate with their app, but it's nothing like having a system-supported method of talking to applications and getting insight into their state.

- Jon

On Jun 25, 2020, at 3:16 AM, Bill Cheeseman <wjcheeseman@comcast.net> wrote:

I have started updating UI Browser as a universal app for Big Sur. It strikes me as more likely that Apple will make its new apps comply with accessibility, so it will remain possible to script them with GUI Scripting even if they no longer have an AppleScript dictionary.
Re: Applescript in Mac OS 11?

Jean-Christophe Helary <jean.christophe.helary@...>
 

On Jun 25, 2020, at 18:16, Bill Cheeseman <wjcheeseman@comcast.net> wrote:

I have started updating UI Browser as a universal app for Big Sur. It strikes me as more likely that Apple will make its new apps comply with accessibility, so it will remain possible to script them with GUI Scripting even if they no longer have an AppleScript dictionary.
Interesting. That makes a lot of sense.


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Jean-Christophe Helary @brandelune
http://mac4translators.blogspot.com
Re: Applescript in Mac OS 11?

Bill Cheeseman
 

I have started updating UI Browser as a universal app for Big Sur. It strikes me as more likely that Apple will make its new apps comply with accessibility, so it will remain possible to script them with GUI Scripting even if they no longer have an AppleScript dictionary.

Bill Cheeseman

On Jun 24, 2020, at 10:32 PM, Deivy Petrescu <applescript@dicas.com> wrote:



On Jun 24, 2020, at 18:30 , Jean-Christophe Helary via AppleScript-Users <applescript-users@lists.apple.com> wrote:

On Jun 25, 2020, at 5:56, Chris Swain via AppleScript-Users <applescript-users@lists.apple.com> wrote:

https://twitter.com/agiletortoise/status/1275796061169180682

Not surprising, but Message and Maps (and others?) no longer have AppleScript dictionaries on Big Sur
For Maps I guess it doesn't make much of a difference. There was nothing specific to the app in its dictionary.

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Jean-Christophe Helary @brandelune
http://mac4translators.blogspot.com
Maps, I don’t think it is such a big loss, but messages on the other hand is a significant loss.
May be we should put some pressure on Apple, in spite of being few.
Apple has some pearls that would be sorely missed if gone.
Automation is one of them. Another one would be Grapher.
I am interested in Swift, but I have a predilection for scripting languages and AppleScript allows the Mac to do amazing stuff.
If allow Messages, and may be even Maps to go quie, I don’t know about tomorrow.
And, I believe we vastly underestimate the number of people using AppleScript
I am open to suggestions. But I believe the more the merrier.

Automation forever

Deivy Petrescu
applescript@dicas.com
Re: Applescript in Mac OS 11?

Deivy Petrescu
 

On Jun 24, 2020, at 18:30 , Jean-Christophe Helary via AppleScript-Users <applescript-users@lists.apple.com> wrote:

On Jun 25, 2020, at 5:56, Chris Swain via AppleScript-Users <applescript-users@lists.apple.com> wrote:

https://twitter.com/agiletortoise/status/1275796061169180682

Not surprising, but Message and Maps (and others?) no longer have AppleScript dictionaries on Big Sur
For Maps I guess it doesn't make much of a difference. There was nothing specific to the app in its dictionary.

--
Jean-Christophe Helary @brandelune
http://mac4translators.blogspot.com
Maps, I don’t think it is such a big loss, but messages on the other hand is a significant loss.
May be we should put some pressure on Apple, in spite of being few.
Apple has some pearls that would be sorely missed if gone.
Automation is one of them. Another one would be Grapher.
I am interested in Swift, but I have a predilection for scripting languages and AppleScript allows the Mac to do amazing stuff.
If allow Messages, and may be even Maps to go quie, I don’t know about tomorrow.
And, I believe we vastly underestimate the number of people using AppleScript
I am open to suggestions. But I believe the more the merrier.

Automation forever

Deivy Petrescu
applescript@dicas.com
Re: How to set Folder Permissions on Enclosing Items

CK
 

A bit late, but in case you didn't work it out yourself, this will get file permissions:

set |path| to POSIX file "/Users/CK/Documents/Scripts/"
tell application id "com.apple.finder" to tell the folder ¬
	|path| to tell (a reference to its entire contents) ¬
	to return everyones privileges of every item in it

And this will set them:

tell application id "com.apple.finder" to tell the folder ¬
	|path| to tell (a reference to its entire contents) ¬
	to set everyones privileges to read only

...and it will do this recursively to all subfolder items.

But, in general, try and avoid using Finder for filesystem operations. Use System Events, or the Foundation framework.
How to set Folder Permissions on Enclosing Items

Dave
 

Hi,

Is there anyway to set the permissions of a folder and it contents recursively using AppleScript?

Basically I want the equivalent of the Get Info Window, "Apple to Enclosing Items” option.

Thanks in advance.
Dave
Re: System Events - Property Lists

Shane Stanley
 

On 1 May 2020, at 8:07 pm, Dave <dave@looktowindward.com> wrote:

It’s hard to know when you need (), I usually add them anyway but this time I forgot!
If you'd used "my" instead of "of me" the compiler would have inserted them for you.

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Shane Stanley <sstanley@myriad-com.com.au>
<www.macosxautomation.com/applescript/apps/>, <latenightsw.com>
Menubar in AppleScript??

Dave
 

Hi, 

Is it possible to add a Menu Bar to a Script and have it work like a regular App?

I’ve found something that plays about with Menu’s but I’m not really sure what it does.

When I run it it complains on this statement:

set theStatusItem to NSStatusBar's systemStatusBar()'s statusItemWithLength:NSVariableStatusItemLength

Error: NSWindow drag regions should only be invalidated on the Main Thread!

I’m not sure how to fix it, in Objective-C I’d use performSelectorOnMainThread with wait until done = YES, but not sure if I can do that in AppleScript?

If I do fix it, I’m not sure if the code does want I want it to, I just want to setup a Menubar, I’m not sure where the NSStatusBar comes into it???

If someone has an example of how handle the Menubar i’d be grateful, just knowing if its possible would help!

All the Best
Dave
Re: System Events - Property Lists

Dave
 

Hi,

It’s hard to know when you need (), I usually add them anyway but this time I forgot!

The thing that threw me here was again the error message, it actually display the correct path name in the error which I took to mean the parameter itself was ok.

I’ve found System Events adequate for that I want, which is pretty simple.

All the Best
Dave

On 1 May 2020, at 05:10, Shane Stanley <sstanley@myriad-com.com.au> wrote:

On 1 May 2020, at 6:02 am, Dave <dave@looktowindward.com> wrote:

That used to read:

tell property list file pMWLPrefsFilePOSIXPath of me

So, assigning it to local storage and using the local made it work! wtf! AppleScript is in a class of its own when it comes to weird happens!!!
No, what fixed it was that you stopped misusing "of me".

Your original is looking for a property list file "of me", where only the variable belongs to "me".

If you had said:

tell property list file (pMWLPrefsFilePOSIXPath of me)

it would work fine.

But you'll find it's much simpler and faster to use AppleScriptObjC for property lists. System Events is pretty poor at it.


--
Shane Stanley <sstanley@myriad-com.com.au>
<www.macosxautomation.com/applescript/apps/>, <latenightsw.com>
Re: How to order a list - A challenge

Dave
 

Oh and, if the item from theNewList is not in the theMasterList the it should be added to the end of the myOrderedList.

On 1 May 2020, at 11:06, Dave <dave@looktowindward.com> wrote:

Hi,

I’ve written a Handler to do the following:

on GetOrderedList(theMasterList,theNewList)

return myOrderedList
end GetOrderedList

theMasterList:
MasterOrderList
AAA
BBB
CCC
DDD
EEE

theNewList t:
DDD
BBB
CCC

Return list:
BBB
CCC
DDD

I’ve got it working but its very clunky, I was wondering the fastest way to do it is in AppleScript.

The way it currently works is to copy theMasterList to myTempList, then remove all the items that are not in theNewList.
Then create myOrdered list by stepping thru theMasterList and then adding the correspond entry from myTempList.

it works but its slow! Any way to improve it?

Thanks a lot
Dave
How to order a list - A challenge

Dave
 

Hi,

I’ve written a Handler to do the following:

on GetOrderedList(theMasterList,theNewList)

return myOrderedList
end GetOrderedList

theMasterList:
MasterOrderList
AAA
BBB
CCC
DDD
EEE

theNewList t:
DDD
BBB
CCC

Return list:
BBB
CCC
DDD

I’ve got it working but its very clunky, I was wondering the fastest way to do it is in AppleScript.

The way it currently works is to copy theMasterList to myTempList, then remove all the items that are not in theNewList.
Then create myOrdered list by stepping thru theMasterList and then adding the correspond entry from myTempList.

it works but its slow! Any way to improve it?

Thanks a lot
Dave
Re: System Events - Property Lists

Shane Stanley
 

On 1 May 2020, at 6:02 am, Dave <dave@looktowindward.com> wrote:

That used to read:

tell property list file pMWLPrefsFilePOSIXPath of me

So, assigning it to local storage and using the local made it work! wtf! AppleScript is in a class of its own when it comes to weird happens!!!
No, what fixed it was that you stopped misusing "of me".

Your original is looking for a property list file "of me", where only the variable belongs to "me".

If you had said:

tell property list file (pMWLPrefsFilePOSIXPath of me)

it would work fine.

But you'll find it's much simpler and faster to use AppleScriptObjC for property lists. System Events is pretty poor at it.


--
Shane Stanley <sstanley@myriad-com.com.au>
<www.macosxautomation.com/applescript/apps/>, <latenightsw.com>
Re: System Events - Property Lists

Dave
 

If I change it to:

tell application "System Events"
set myPropertyListPath to pMWLPrefsFilePOSIXPath of me ———Changed------
tell property list file myPropertyListPath ———Changed------
set pModOrderFileURL of me to (value of property list item "pModOrderFileURL")
set pModOrderList of me to value of property list item "pModOrderList"
set pGameInfoList of me to value of property list item "pGameInfoList"
set pModInfoList of me to value of property list item "pModInfoList"
end tell
end tell

That used to read:

tell property list file pMWLPrefsFilePOSIXPath of me

So, assigning it to local storage and using the local made it work! wtf! AppleScript is in a class of its own when it comes to weird happens!!!
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